Are Bonuses paid to Social Workers?

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1. C September 23, 2014 at 9:15 am

   That is an FOI request that needs to be sent to every local authority.
2. ERIC MARLEY January 15, 2015 at 2:25 pm

   AS A GREAT GRANDFATHER WHO LOST 7 GREAT GRANDCHILDREN TO THE SO CALLED SYSTEM, SOCIAL WORKERS WHOM WERE PROVEN LIARS. COLLUSIVE AND MANIPULATIVE. GUARDIANS AND SO CALLED CHARTERED PHYSOCOLIGISTS FAILING TO DO THERE JOBS PROPERLY. WHITHOLDING VITAL EVIDENCE FROM JUDGES AND PROCEEDINGS THEY SHOULD BE COMPARED TO SECRET SOCITIES. COMPLAINTS WERE IGNORED AND SWEPT UNDER THE CARPET COVERING UP FOR EACH OTHER TO ADMONISH THEMSELVES FROM ANY WRONGDOINGS ACTING AS IF THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW NOTHING MORE THAN A DISGRACE. AND TO RUB SALT IN THE WOUND RECIEVING BONUSES IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM IS DISGUSTING. THEY SHOULD BE NAMED AND SHAMED AS SIR JAMES MUNBY STATED IN HIS RULING IN JAN 2014 WHICH I AM LED TO BELIEVE CAME INTO FORCE IN FEB 2014

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4. Gregory Doyle August 1, 2018 at 8:26 pm

   I.had two children placed for adoption a few years ago after supporting my wife as best as I could through addiction to alcohol. I was told to choose and when I refused and tried to support my whole family social workers systematically built a case against me built on lies and half truths. They even tried to bargain with me that if I got an exclusion order banning my wife from our house they would let me keep my kids. I lost eventually and even appealed the final order to no avail despite being a good father
   The system is rotten and corrupt through and through social workers, psychologists, so called expert witnesses and even education workers are in on it! The whole thing needs to be replaced by a fairer more humane system.
   1. Sarah Phillimore Post authorAugust 4, 2018 at 10:02 am

      I am sorry to hear that you feel so unhappy by the experience you had in the system. But an alcoholic parent is a very difficult thing for a child to cope with and the line between ‘support’ and ‘enablement’ is often not an easy one to draw. Often parents are asked to chose between their children or the other parent. I don’t doubt it is a horrible, difficult choice. But children cannot be expected to wait years for adults to ‘get better’.

      however, I agree that there needs to be urgent investigation of how the whole process can be made less traumatising for those within it.
   2. Gary Silvester November 13, 2019 at 11:50 pm

      Well, what you explain, is very similar to the exsperience I’ve had with these so called professional ppl and ss . All liers and corrupt. The system is rotten [I am deleting this because it reads like a violent threat to me]
   3. Sarah July 1, 2020 at 6:15 am

      My social worker is absolutely corrupt I have followed and done everything I was asked I’m to compliant now I gave birth she never even told me she was going to remove my baby. She was the same social worker to my friend who took her own life because of her and still nothing being done she lied havent looked at other options just straight adoption.
   4. Doesn't Matter February 26, 2021 at 10:10 am

      You chose your wife over your kids, if they asked you to choose it shouldn’t really be a choice for you at all.
      Shame on you to be honest..
5. Angelo Granda August 7, 2018 at 7:05 am

   Thank you for your contribution, Gregory.
   Your experience was a few years ago.I share your views and so do many other fathers and mothers.
   I am glad to be able to inform you that,in part due to this resource and its good work in tandem with the Transparency Project, things are looking up.The Government set out a policy statement which called for radical changes to front line practices in the child – protection system as a whole and ,despite the inevitable resistance to change of all well established governances and bureaucracies, I think it is finally trickling down.
   Above all, a fresh crop of professionals are coming through and the extremely risk averse, ‘robust’ ( as they call it) reactions and methods previously the norm a are becoming outdated.Professionals are beginning to apply a little bit more of their own grey matter to approaches and care-plans.

   To be continued.
   1. Angelo Granda August 7, 2018 at 8:32 am

      Continued

      For example, these days it does not wash anymore for a professional to plan solely on the basis of their own risk assessment which usually,of course,concentrate on ‘potential’ and possible dangers which may arise based on stereotype cases.One supporter of the CPR,Dr.L.Devine has demonstrated the disconnect between such assessments and actual child abuse and significant harm as meant by the Children Act.She shall be speaking at this years CPR Conference,I think.SW’s are beginning to realise the emphasis has to be on working together with parents with the general object being to keep families together .I think the monolith,the stone -wall that the liquidation of a child’ natural family can be in his or her interests is finally beginning to topple.
      The children taken away don’t benefit,they become subject to great trauma and a life time of degradation .
      We all know life can be difficult for children when their parents are not normal,perhaps disabled,dying of cancer,chronically sick or unable to act at all times stereotypically but finally I think we are coming around to the belief that working together with parents like you towards alleviating problems rather than going in and ordering a couple to part is the more humane course,one children will thank us all for.
      Sarah, we all have a cross to bear and children usually cope with sick and disabled parents.What right has anyone to say children cannot wait for parents to recover? I feel that is an example of false ideology and dogma( FI and D) typical of LA lawyers and management now hopefully to be consigned to the past.
      I think addiction to drink or drugs is just as much an affliction as disablement or any other illness.Do you get the impression that alcoholics ,for example,are victimised?
      1. Gary Silvester November 13, 2019 at 11:57 pm

         After reading your comment, I think the main point has been lost on you. The point of the article you respond to was more in relation to the way the system and those involved lie and manipulate to active the goal of seperating children from their family’s .
6. Dewi William Meade January 22, 2019 at 6:13 pm

   So but what is the answer to the question but about social workers (or the council’s they work for) getting bonuses foreach addition that’s made?
   1. Sarah Phillimore Post authorJanuary 23, 2019 at 12:23 pm

      I don’t think they do get bonuses and certainly not bonuses in the region of £30K for each child ‘taken’ as is so often asserted to me.
      But the available information is confusing and not transparently shared. There are certainly worries that elements of funding depend on ‘targets’ that must be met regarding numbers of children adopted etc.
7. Angelo Granda January 23, 2019 at 9:28 am

   They aren’t called bonuses. The term used is ‘payment by results’ which is shortened to PBR payments.
   £4000 is payable to LA’s for all families meeting the criteria as a ‘troubled family’ plus further additional payments for particular outcomes. When a family has been ‘helped’ the LA concerned can claim payments .Please note,generally the claiming LA judges whether the help has been effective or not. Of course, it will see family liquidation and a placement for adoption order or other permanence plan as success. Everyone else including most of its own SW’s see that as FAILURE.
   Check this link for further details of PBR.
   1. Angelo Granda January 23, 2019 at 9:30 am

      The link referred to above. I forgot to add it.

      https://www.civilserviceworld.com/articles/news/troubled-families-payment-results-model-under-review-after-perverse-incentives-claim
8. Angelo Granda January 24, 2019 at 6:30 am

   I reckon it is perfectly legitimate for employers to incentivise workers but as Sarah says,why not be open and honest about it?
   Most would support the payment of bonuses to SW’s for achieving the aims of the Children Act which is fundamentally to keep families together unless absolutely nothing but removal will do.This would be an incentive to provide facilities for Mum’s and kids together and the management would pursue that rather than choose to spend budgets on facilitating removal.
   If their aims were legitimate,I am fairly certain the authorities AND all the SW’s would be trumpeting it from the rooftops.Personally,i doubt if bonuses are paid to SW’s but that they are so taciturn on the subject is disturbing.SW’s,open up!
   Not one of them will come on and inform us ,they neither confirm or deny whether bonuses are paid or not nor in which circumstances.
   So ,have they something to hide? Heaven knows.Why are they so slow to comment?
   1. Gary Silvester November 14, 2019 at 12:07 am

      The amount of lies and ineptitude I experienced while going through the family courts was astonishing and social services and all involved lied like it was second nature. This tells me that it’s happening on a regular basis. If note for money then ego, authority and just plain old nasty destruction. My children have been physically and mentally abused by the ss in north Lincolnshire and when I raised concerns and made complaints, I was attacked by these so called professional ppl. They are discusting and evil and have to answer for purgery and systematically destroying children and families . I’ll see what I can do to raise awareness.
      1. Natasha Davies December 9, 2020 at 5:59 am

         Honestly reading these intelligent responses is eye opening. I’ve been a victim of the social services terrible misconduct, lies and manipulation in the court room, no chance give them my side of the story just removed my child. It was so right on one of the comments that they pick on the right people. If you’re a murderer, a shoplifer, committed fraud basically anything illegal you’ll get the help you need through legal aid and entitled to a solicitor yet social services remove your child and you have no rights whatsoever? Where is the justice. It just makes you think that’s exactly why they do it and get away with it what repercussions are there? They none you don’t have a leg to stand on. It’s a horrible, flawed, manipulative system. There should always be the choice to work with the family before removal that’s not the case. Not just social services though everyone there all stick together included the family court advisors (CAFCASS) who all lied and the judge was listening to their decision on my child’s future who didn’t even get mine or my child’s name right? Did I put in a complaint yes, did it do any good? No. They go home with a nice bonus and my life will never be the same again it’s heart wrenching
9. Angelo Granda November 14, 2019 at 10:31 am

   Gary, I do agree with the gist of your comments and so do the majority of ordinary parents whose children have been traumatised and abused in care. I am glad you refer to the Social Services and the SYSTEM destroying children and families rather than directing your energy and consternation against the individuals involved.
   Whilst a system ,due to its power, can become disgusting and evil ,the cause of it is the power itself. In other words it is AUTHORITARIANISM.
   People in power become infected by it ,that is a truism. That is why we have the ECHR conventions set down in law,to protect us from the powers that be! The individuals who work for them are not necessarily evil in themselves , at least not when they join, but they become indoctrinated by false ideology and dogma; they think ( in fact they believe strongly,they are doing right).
   Sadly,as you say,many professionals are guilty of perjury on many occasions .Usually,i think it is when they don’t take care and don’t follow safeguards and guidelines set down to prevent it thus,in my eyes, they are guilty of a criminal offence. They don’t check their evidence.
   Gary, you have referred to it as lying by human nature . You are quite correct. We are all prone to tell lies and i don’t think any of us actually lie to harm or hurt others. People lie usually to evade accountability for their own wrongdoing and very often this is because they don’t know they are doing wrong. In the CP system, as i said before, the professionals are indoctrinated and work for a system which completely lacks focus. Its aims, as an industry, are inconsistent with the aims of the Public set out by statute.It is normal practice for those within it to bend,twist and do almost anything to achieve the illegitimate aims set down by those at the helm, acting in the same manner as authoritarian systems and dictatorships throughout history. They have to recruit people who will go along with the false ideology and kow-tow not people who will argue against the general policies and blow the whistle.Professionals who protest are ignored and demoted in deference to those who ‘go along’. I think this is demonstrated in part by the system’s failure to come clean about the payment of bonuses which is the subject of this particular thread.
   We have to conclude ,because of these industrial,systemic malpractices, that we need SW’s and lawyers of a much higher calibre. We need professionals who are able to act independently,to impose their own integrity upon the system and to FOCUS on the true aims of the statute.
   We don’t want professionals who work against the Public Law which,if we remember, is to support families and work together with parents to protect children and not to remove them disproportionately to the circumstances.
   When children are removed from parents permanently and families liquidated,the system has FAILED. They are convinced the system has triumphed. Even Sarah, in a recent speech ,persisted with the false dogma that some parents need to have their children removed from them into care as quickly as possible. On the other hand, she acknowledges that the system acts unlawfully due to an alleged lack of resources and fails to apply safeguards, guidelines and reformative sanctions in good time to avoid it. Perhaps removal is called for on a temporary basis pending reform in really dire circumstances but permanent care-plans or forced adoption are AGAINST CHILDREN’S INTERESTS. Not least of the reasons is because the poor wretches are abused and exploited in the care system.
   Gary,you say you will see what you can do to raise awareness and that you will do what you need to to avenge your children.
   All victims feel the same but I am afraid vengeance is not possible under this system within the law. Complaints procedures usually get us nowhere and appeals to higher courts almost impossible to achieve because of the classes of families targeted by the system. They know who to pick upon! Legal funding is something of a joke and an imbalance of power holds sway especially in closed proceedings.It is recognised by many that the Judicial system is broken.
   Alas, the S.S. powers that be will not change their ways whilst they can get away with it, why should they? They dictate political policy directives and will continue to do so.
   What is needed is a thorough Public Inquiry by Royal Commission,in my opinion, and we should all demand one.

   Meanwhile ,we should raise awareness among individual professionals. All SW’s have good in them as we all have. They are basically honest .How should they change their front -line practices?
   They should impose their integrity upon the L.A’s as the independent ‘professionals’ they are. Not go along with the endemic lack of it.
   They should at all times highlight the deontological and moral aspects. They should remember that the only power they have is that power we, the Public, have granted to them. Their clear moral duty is one to the General Public and the Community as a whole who are their ‘primary’ employers . All their work has to be in the interests of the Community as a whole not in those of their ‘secondary’ employers i.e. the politically and financially orientated authorities.
   Particularly, Social Workers should never allow their efforts to be thwarted by any alleged shortage of resources. Change front-line practices in that respect and don’t go along with excessive workloads and overwork! Compel the L.A. to change ,increase staff levels and support you in helping families. You are the trained social workers not the accountants,human resources staff or the lawyers.
   If these reprobates insist they will not supply resources, then you must never CHANGE FOCUS, you should hold your focus and renew it .Focus what resources you do have on helping and supporting families .Refuse to destroy them just because it is easier ,more convenient and financially beneficial to the Authorities.
   Gary, please tell us more of your experiences.You are by no means the first to complain about the system in North Lincolnshire. It has a bad name. Do you know if the same applies to Hull and North Humberside? Or is it a localised problem?

   All comments welcome.
10. andy whitehead August 5, 2020 at 6:55 pm

    in the targets there is no mention of cases closed with children remaining with parents anywhere.And that screams louder than anything by its absence.

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